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Seems like you have it all together Brian! I had to get the 320 grit at Rockler Woodworking, it was the only place I could find that had it locally. I got the 400 grit black stuff for wet/dry sanding at the auto paint store. I would sand after the acid wash too, it's easier then because the acid removes the tough oxidation off the top surface.
I would not recommend using the power washer to hose off the acid either, the chances of it blowing around are much higher with that. I would just use the garden hose with a good stream but no real pressure, JMO for safety.
Once you have it clean and acid washed and dry, make SURE its dry. you can start the buffing. Use little dots of F7 and work them around doing small sections, 2 foot or so at a time. If you haven't looked at it there is excellent instructions on the Nuvite site for using thier stuff. After you do the whole boat with the F7 you should wash it down with warm soapy water to remove any grit and grease left in it. Again, after it is dry start over with the S grade. The S goes way quicker and easier I thought. Also an old screwdriver or file is good to clean out your buff when it starts to clog but be carefull when doing it! Anything else? Let me know! Good luck and don't forget the before and after pictures for us!!
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Hello,I started cleaning my pontoons yesterday,I bought the ac coil cleaner,the pink stuff,read the posts,returned the pink for the blue,suppose to be much safer.Got a new 2 gal. pump up sprayer and mixed 50/50.Sprayed about 4'section at a time and where the toons were just oxidized they look like new.However,where the deposits are built up below the waterline,it didnt phase it at all.I wound up for the last day and a half,grinding the build up off with 80grit discs on a 4' grinder.Now they are clean so I sprayed them a second time with the blue stuff and its looking much better.If I could have collected the grindings Id bet I removed 15# of gunk. Tomorrow i'll try to even the pontoons up with a buffer/polisher.Im taking pictures,but havent posted them as of yet.Im having some computer issues when I try to upload the photos my computer says it cant find the files!Its a Kodak Easy share problem I think.Oh well i'll keep trying and tomorrow i'll be back to the grind,as they say!! Thanks Kevin P.S. Good luck to all cleaners!!!
Edited by KANDPSIFORD on 04/17/2008 at 10:25pm
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1stimetooner,Just a wee bit late,im done cleaning, now its on to polishing but it wouldnt touch the buildup of who knows what that I ground off.It didnt even attempt to soften it,the stuff was 1/8-1/4 inch thick like concrete.I couldnt beleive how hard it was to take off!!! I dont think the guy I bought it from ever had it cleaned and its a1990 Model so I guess eighteen years of buildup is alot!!!My wife peeks her head out at it and thinks it looks great now,so if shes happy ya know im gonna be happy!!!
Edited by KANDPSIFORD on 04/17/2008 at 10:59pm
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Well I can offer advice on the pictures, don't use camera software - just get a media card reader, one of those that covers 10-15 different cards for about $15-25, put the card in, (I use manual mode, move - not copy the files), I then use either IE to view but if you have Office 2003 or 2007, then Office Picture Manager works good for viewing, resizing, renaming, etc.
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scbadiver Moderator Group

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I'd say your wood removal plan will work fine Brian. I did mine close to that way. I just set the blade, an old blade, on my circular saw about 3/4 inch and cut all the way across between the cross members and it all came right off. That also made getting rid of the old deck a lot easier with all smaller peices. You'll be fine!
I did use the 400 wet before I buffed. I think it made the buffing go faster. I did not get overzealous with it though. I did it by hand with a sanding block which also allowed me to really look at the whole tube a little at a time to inspect for any spots I missed with the other operations. I finished all the hand sanding in one evening for the most part.
Edited by scbadiver on 04/18/2008 at 10:07am
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Scbadiver did Sharkhide keep the high shine you got when you finished or did it dull the finish?
In your opinion, if I didn't use Sharkhide and kept it in a sling in a covered slip, would the shine last as long as if I had used Sharkhide?
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It'll be a few days before Robbie (scbadiver) gets back to the internet, he's out of town - no access. (back week from Sunday)
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Thanks.
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Judgepw, I used sharkhide on mine and loved it. I bought mine new and put it on before the boat hit the water. I saw a boat that was purchased at the same time as mine and he didn't sharkhide his and it looked bad after just a few trips to the river. The sharkhide will help it keep its shine. I can't say enough good things about it, it is truly a superb product.
I think it also makes it easier to clean the Pontoons as I used simple green and paper towels to clean mine when I got home after fishing.
Edited by dahogman on 04/20/2008 at 9:29am
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Thanks, I appreciate the info.
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scbadiver Moderator Group

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I used the 320 dry, with a palm sander and then the 400 wet by hand with a block. After You're done buffing, I would recommend a good wash down with plain old soap and water ( I used Dawn Dishwashing soap, 'takes grease out of your way' !) Then after it's good and dry I wiped down the whole thing with a rag and laquer thinner to make sure it is clean and free of polishing grease, THEN apply the protectant.
As far as the wood goes, I picture would help. I'm not sure of what you are asking there. Sorry.
Holes? Smaller the better in my opinion. The cables will come out of the box easily enough, pass them through the hole and reattach. I'd NEVER cut a hole in the deck big enough to pass the whole box through!!
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Hey WildCat....I'll have to say....your ingenuity on the pontoon model was excellent........but........where do I find 4X4's long enough to support a 28 footer?
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The 4x4's go from side to side not length wise. So 8 feet would probably be long enough. 
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Alexandria, Minnesota, USA
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Oh and the credit goes to the doghogman - not me - all I did was make it a sticky note.
Sorry Eric for my earlier confusion on who gets that credit 
Edited by Wildcat Dude on 06/17/2008 at 10:23pm
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I had the same question but now it all makes sense.
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markraymond11 use 4x4's to go side to side and laminate 2x6's or 2x8's together to go length wise. I should have explained it better with the model I guess. High lift jacks can be found at Harbor Freight for a very reasonable price.
Edited by dahogman on 06/17/2008 at 10:05pm
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Sorry Eric, I corrected my error 
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I'm the duct tape and WD 40 guy. Redneck engineering at its finest.
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I'll jump in here. Yep, that is correct Judge. Get a bag of rags and some thinner and it will wipe off. I cleaned an area of the log when fixing leaks and it came right off and it was obvious as is softened and came off. Not a terrible hard thing to do but laquer thinner, to me, is stinky. Just be sure to wear the usual gloves and eye protection as that thinner is mean stuff.
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Thanks Robbie. Mine is done for the year, but I'm not pleased with the results. I need more time with about 1200-1500 grit to make it right. I used BriteMax which is ok but next time I'll use Nuvite. I'm gonna' give it one more try and if I can't get them right, it's gonna' have to suffice. Man, cleaning and polishing those toons is a major PITA job.
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I agree, but I'm finally starting to see some real results of my labor with Nuvite that I wasn't getting with anything else and in much less time. Although I better hurry up with the polishing before the cold sets in, as that'll be the end of polishing for a while till another warm front comes in.
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Im still working on pictures of our toon, but when I bought it I stopped at a Blue Beacon Truck wash and had them acid spray (several times) and use high pressure spray to clean them. They did a great job and got 95% of all the crud off..........25 bucks! I know I still have to polish them, but this was well worth the money spent.
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Too much work for me. Mine stay au naturel. Just scrape/power wash 3 times a year and a shiny finish will scare the fish anyway (gives me excuses to 2 different questions).
Seriously, y'alls boats look great!
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Naw, naw, it looks like a big old shiner to them and they come in to check it out 
__________________ Charles - Smyrna, TN
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Wildcat Dude wrote:
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You forgot to put emphasis on BIG. So I did it for you. 
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I have been reading all post about cleaning and polising toons. I have tried all products that was recommened.
This was a/c coil cleaner

Then another product

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I did not like the products. Now look at what I found. One spay let sit for 2 min. and wash off.

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More samples

***realigned pics and text for best viewing***
Edited by Wildcat Dude on 04/05/2009 at 10:32pm
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The last pic is the whole toon cleaned in 1/2 hour. Its called aluminum brightener and fiberglass cleaner.
Found it at hardware store in the paint section.

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1995 Sun Tracker 24ft
2004 Merc 125
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1996 115 mariner
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Unfortunately this product is only sold in a few areas (made locally in Harahan, LA/New Orleans, LA) and has distributors in the gulf coast cities of TX, AL, LA and MS, southern AR and northwest FL. So its doesn't exactly help the majority of our members. But looks like it did a good job of prepping though.
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When using Nuvite Polish;;; Do you have to change pads when you change compound. Like from 9 to 6 Etc.
Thanks Ronney
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