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Pre drilling a small hole and using a hammer drill sinks them right in. When I started, I did try running some in without the pilot holes, but found the self tapping screw tips strip out easily or they wind up just breaking altogether alot of the time. Didn't take more than 10 screws or so before I got the other drill and a bit out..
Edited by rickdb1 on 06/15/2009 at 5:05pm
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Good info to know for my next year project (when more money might become available). Thanks
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I am using the self tapping S/S 1/4 X 1 inch Hex Head. I dip each screw in a cup of Tap Magic before drilling, seems to work great so far. I have found doing this project that working with S/S nuts, bolts, and screws that a little LUBE of some sort seems to help,,,, Tap Magic for drilling or tapping and Never- Seez for nuts and bolts. JMO
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Good info. Never heard of it before. Sounds like just the ticket for running in a bunch of screws without pre drilling.
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There used to be some stuff called Akempucky that really helped lube a screw. Don't know if they make it any more.
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Still around Judge..
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36 Gallons Of Fuel , Batteries Switch and Stern Nav light, also going to build fencing around rear deck
Courtesy Lights Led White for behind pilot station and red in front
Side gate courtesy lights also have the same on the front gate

My helper with the underskinning, jack and 2 X4, with the toon lifted this high makes it very easy to work on.
***resized pics per request***
Edited by kartracer28 on 06/16/2009 at 1:02pm
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So you liked my idea of LED courtesy lights ehh , and looks good too.
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YES I DO !!!!!! Thanks WCD 
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DL;;;; HAVE AT IT, 
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I could not cut the sheets to the correct length because of the way the braces bolted up. Had to put a 1 inch flat bar to close the gap.
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As you can see even with the 1 inch flat bar I still had a sizeable openning,,,, If I was to do it again I would have the alum. bent with a press brake to fit from floor braces to top of logs.

If you look close you can see the 1 X 1 angle I put to close the gap


Material used .090 # 5052 Alum sheeting, over 200 1/4 X 1 S/S Tek Screws and a WHOLE LOT OF ELBOW GREASE Total cost $350.00 - $400.00 W/ LABOR;;;PRICELESS
Edited by kartracer28 on 06/20/2009 at 3:58pm
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You are gonna love that underskinning. Great job, I left a small opening right along side the toons on one that I underskinned to allow for drainage. If you leave a opening right along side of the toons the water is not a problem as it doesn't deflect off the toons in that area. I also had a 45 bend put in that trea on another boat to deflect water down and away. either way will work and I think you will be just fine. The thing to remember is that you are not waterproofing, you are simply deflecting the water away.
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dahogman;;; Thanks for the thought of DRAINAGE,,,, I do have a very small spaceing near the logs that I was going to seal with silicon, but now I will just leave it open. I guess I was trying to waterproof!!!!!!!! Thanks Again Kartracer
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That's what dahogman recommended and its generally the standard that's been promoted on this site even way before I came here 2 years ago for underskinning projects.
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That really looks sharp, I like it!
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DL;;; I am from oilfield country, If a little will work a whole lot will do much bettter. Is see most people use .063 so I used my oilfield degree Kartracer
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Fresh water shower

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4 Months:::: back on the trailer and WAY OVER budget. Waiting for the motor to be installed in a week or two. 
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Don't feel bad. I think most of us run behind and over budget. It will be worth it!
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whats a budget???
kart.... i really like that fresh water shower.... what does the top of that look like.... I am planning using an L shaped seat for the back of my boat and thought of shower or portapotty in the space that is left.... just curious... good pics by the way
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Have you got the shower because you didn't want to take one with gators down there? 
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eaglase, I also have L shape seating in the rear. The shower is a changing room from another dealer. The shower head and controls from Eba $20.00. gallon water tank, pump from motor home. I will take complete pics in the AM and post. I am having a alum pan made for the shower floor, so carpet does not stay wet, with a through floor drain. The porta potty will also set in this pan,
Charles;;; YOU ARE DARN RIGHT;;;; With gator skins not worth very much on the market now a day . Gators are all over the place, Looking at one as I type in the Bayou, or as some say CANAL. LOL
Edited by kartracer28 on 07/09/2009 at 4:29pm
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porta potty in the floor drain, that'l save walks to the pump station , just don't let the EPA people catch ya' ! hope my bride doesn't see your shower, that would be another project. that's the best part of a pontoon boat, you don't have to play 'pioneer' after all the upgrades are done. nice atouch!! good boating
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58;;; Porta Potty, will not not drain in the floor pan, it is self comtained as I am sure you know, just sit in the pan, only shower water will flow into the floor pan
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Eaglase:: Hope the pics help with your decision
Edited by kartracer28 on 07/11/2009 at 5:45pm
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Water tank and pump for the shower
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Just can not get top to look right!!! Any Advice Please
Edited by kartracer28 on 07/11/2009 at 5:45pm
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If that's the same top I got from PontoonStuff with the bars (both front and back that they no longer sell), then it appears you don't have enough tension on the back and front, those front bars have adjusters, shorten the bar one notch and try again so it makes it tighter. Can you take a close up shot of those bars, it looks like you have adjusters front and rear where mine is only on the front and the rear is fixed height.
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