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I read this article over the weekend, and thought about posting it for everyone.  Glad that you did post it floridatoon.  I hope that people read it, and undoubtedly there will be a mix of opinions about who was at fault and who should be responsible.  Nevertheless it was a terrible tragedy.  I think for all of us we should remember the importance of keeping a safe speed, being up on the boating regs for night time boating, and enjoying an adult beverage in moderation but not if you are captaining the boat.  Both the salboat operator and the powerboat operator were doing something they shouldn't have been doing at the time, but I am inclined to think that the cops were covering up for their own. 

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As I am still trying to learn all the boating rules & regulations I for some reason seem to find a lack of any 'common sense' in this entire story. But not being a legal expert of any kind that is up to someone else to determine but I have ot agree with what Jenn stated in that it appears to me someone is trying to 'cover up' big time.

I can say without any doubt at all being an old retired pilot in that the 'slower aircraft' has ALWAYS got the RiGHT OF WAY no matter if it's a Piper Cub or a Cessna twin or a 747. Over the years there have been many aricraft accidents due to people not paying attention to this RULE & it appears to me from reading the story, the sailboat HAD THE RIGHT AWAY regardless. Either way it is a very sad thing to hear the lady lost her life. Regardless the outcome she can never enjoy boating ever again. Very sad indeed. I just hope justice 'prevails' in this case as based on what I read, justice is proving to be very blind & one sided.



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Ok, I figure I may as well chime in from a cop prespective - whoever covered for the other cop is just as guilty of whatever in the whole affair. I have very early in my law enforcement career taken a couple of cops home till I got sick of it (and wasn't afraid of the consquenences from my peers any longer). Yep, its got me in more trouble (and fired) but at least I could sleep nights knowing I did my job. You won't believe the pressure some of them are under and hate being put into that situation, its a no win situation for them, but I much rather erred on the side of not eating and caring for my family than risk being put under the jail (and I was even threatened with that once). You have to have very thick skin to wear blue and know when right is right. All you hear is the bad, seldom any good. Hopefully it'll all sort itself out in the end and justice for all prevails.

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For what it's worth WCD, I'm proud of you & have never met you. I have a nephew that was with the FBI who nearly had his life ruined over trying to do what was right. In the end he prevailed & HONESTY is what it's all about in the end. If you can't live with yourself who can you live with?

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My Nephew is in law enforcement and makes it a point to do everything he can right, in spite of those who try to dissuade him and has not been without some consequences. Honesty and self loyalty is to be admired in a profession that can easily turn ugly. What happened in the incident above seems pretty ugly to me...

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Yep, I think it was case of darn it or be darn if you do - (you get the drift) and he was wishing he was somewhere else and not having to run into that top cop who got him into that pickle. Course to me, when a life is taken, there shouldn't be any question as to what to much less the law was obviously broken. Now not knocking you folks who drink as in my young days I've had my times but then I realized I was becoming my dad in some ways and I didn't want to go there. I went cold turkey. I use to drink two thermo's of Old Crow & Coke daily and  smoking 6 packs a day. Now I might drink at most 12 cans a year and that's tops (usually only 6 cans a year). Yep, I sure hate it when stuff like that happens and good cops will tell you, it only makes their job twice as hard.

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6 packs a day wow!  How did you have time to do anything else, wcd?  Nowadays one would need a second job to afford that!  LOL.

Cheap/free boating classes are becoming more prevalent in VA now that there is a new law requiring proof that you have passed a class by a certain future date (based on one's age).  The USCGA offers a number of them in my area.  I took a 12 week class (a bit more than I needed, the required one's are usually about half a day) for $60, and it was interesting and informative, and it really opened my eyes to how much I had to learn. 



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Back in my days, a pack of smokes was 25 cents (in the military). Later in civilian life I had slowed down to 2 packs a day (about $40 a month back in mid 80's). One day, bought 2 cartons and decided that I was quiting at the end of the 2nd carton, made those smokes last more than 2 months and only smoked for 2 months a few years later when I worked undercover narcotics (city was paying for them then), day I finished undercover, same day I quit again (1987)  .

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This is indeed a strange case, and something of interest to us pontoon owners/drivers.  It can happen to any of us, and maritime law is a bit different at times. Certainly the overtaking boat has the duty to stand clear. The sailboat had an outboard on it, making it a motor boat if it was running (windless night, although they also stated they used the mast light to look at the wind indicator, so it is not clear).  But in any case the overtaking boat has the responsibility to keep clear.  The issue of not being able to see the lights is certainly one that could apply to us -- background lights are very distracting and most lakes have lots of them. The lights on my pontoon, while legal, are not large/bright enough to stand out for a boat running at high speed like that.

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Not Guilty 20 Aug 2009, very suspicious conduct concerning investigation.  I always support the boys in blue but this case is deeply disturbing.  Feds should investigate and if wrong doing is found all involved should face justice.  Picking one scapegoat to protect another is reprehensible at its very core.  This man clearly shouldn't have been piloting the sailboat under the influence but his actions didn't kill the woman.  Speed killed that woman.

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For some reason, I could not open the first post of this story, so I will start a new post and trust someone will get this to the first post. Just a link to update the outcome of the trial, if it is not already part of the first post. He was correctly found not guilty, but somebody is to blame. I wonder if justice will ever be served.

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It's been awhile since I could get on a computer. so i'm catching up on some topics. this story on Mr. Dineus and the local law enforcment is very disturbing. I really hope someone in thier states attorny's office look's into this, as the county attorny as some explaining to do in my book. Kudo's WildCatDude, You were the kind of police officer we can look up too! Just my two cents.

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Ahh you finally made the rank I had when I got out back in 76, although I got out a tad too soon, was on the list for E7 (TSGT) and would have got that 2 months later if I stayed in. Yep, things like that give the majority of the cops bad press, you hardly ever hear anything good. Course I suppose you could always go back to the wild wild west days (does at times seem that way though in some places). Be careful out there Sgt. Andy, we need you back here fishing with us and your loved ones.

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dahogman wrote:
Not Guilty 20 Aug 2009, very suspicious conduct concerning investigation.  I always support the boys in blue but this case is deeply disturbing.  Feds should investigate and if wrong doing is found all involved should face justice.  Picking one scapegoat to protect another is reprehensible at its very core.  This man clearly shouldn't have been piloting the sailboat under the influence but his actions didn't kill the woman.  Speed killed that woman.

I hate to say this but in the small town where I live, unfortunately I see & hear about all kinds of events taking place involving the police but it always seems to get 'covered up' one way of the other. Sooner or later it has to 'blow up' & that is when real justice might get done.

A friend of mine young 19 yr old son had to go to driving school for speeding which I might add the guy running the school just happens to be the NEPHEW of the traffic court judge. Driving school costs $85.00 for an 8 hour class. Anyway the young man was told by the instructor if you see a cop sitting on the road shooting radar or whatever, DO NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM. It is none of your business what the cop is doing so do not look at him. All I could say was 'are you serious' & his reply reply he was exremely serious.

Just a note to everyone. Where I live I am about 5 miles off of I-95 & I-85 which is referred to as the SPLIT. Years ago this area had a FEATURE article in LIFE maginzine as being the NO #1 radar capitol on the east coast. And it still is that way. When I tell you that you WILL get ticketed for 56 mph in a 55 mph speed zone, you can believe it or not. I've heard of it happening some many times & had people tell me the same thing that got the ticket. Not that some people don't deserve a ticket mind you but it sure does get ridiculous at times. And NO ONE is found NOT GUILTY.



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