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darravan Newbie

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Towing: 2007 20' Bentley Cruise w/60 hp Suzuki 4-stroke.
Current tow vehicle: 2004 Lincoln Aviator, 8-cylinder.
Should be fine to tow with, right? NOT! It basically has 1-wheel drive, and as soon as that one wheel starts to slip, we're dead. We couldn't even pull an empty 8' U-haul trailer up our driveway (it's pretty steep)! Seriously. So I've decided that we really need either 4wd or AWD SUV, but I really don't want something too large. So my question is (finally), what are your thoughts about a Ford Edge with AWD? The listed towing capacity is 3500#, and that's what has me concerned. My guess is between the boat, motor, and trailer, we might be getting close to that. Any other vehicle suggestions? The boat will generally be in Tennessee (pretty hilly), but we may also tow it back to Florida occasionally. Thanks for your input!
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I use two vehicles both 2 rear axle drive and so far haven't had an issue except for one vehicles tires needing new rubber on the ground. One is a 3/4 ton Chevy Silverado with a 4.3litre (gearing is too high for long hauling to my liking) and the Toyota Tundra 4.7litre and with it, we've pulled everywhere with it but we keep it at 60mph as even it doesn't like doing 70mph in TN/KY hills before it starts throwing oil out of the motor (both need heavy duty coolers along with the stock coolers). I wouldn't tow diddly with the Edge. To me it just doesn't have the muscle or the tranny for it. We were given an Edge while our Toyota was in the shop (teenie bopper kiddie in fast Mustang found out the hard way, don't run a red light in front of a truck, he totaled, ours minor suspension damage right front - 2500). Edge didn't feel like it could even pull itself much less any passengers. Yep, you could say that convinced me not to buy one of them Had a 4 wheel drive KIA SUV, we burned up the tranny on it on the first attempt to tow (less than 10 miles), luckily I caught it before I completely burned it up. Let it cool off and limped home. Don't know but whatever you get, get an optional towing cooler package to put on it. I've got to wait until next year.
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Feom all that I have heard from several Edge owners, they are really NOT for towing even though the dealer says differently. Maybe for light boats but not for pontoon boats. Two of my buddies have had them & towed their bass boats & were very unhappy with them to the point they traded them back in & got F-150 Ford pickups. Both are 2 wheel drive & have the Triton V8 engines. When they now tow they take it out of overdrive & so far they are pleased.
I myself have a 2002 Dodge Ram SLT with the 4.7 liter engine 2 wheel drive & although it refuses to pass a gas station it definitly has all the power I need for the pontoon boat & the bass boat. I'd thought a new Dodge Dakota with the same engine but it won't get any better gas mileage the the Ram & fot the added room in the Ram that is the way I went mainly because I got a really good deal on the truck. Otherwise I would have gon with the Ford Triton F-150 crew cab.
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I would go ahead and buy, even if used, a 3/4 ton or heavier full sized pick up. At the rate the government is increasing mileage standards and pinching down on 'gas guzzlers' it will soon be difficult for those of us with RV's and/or larger boats to find a vehicle to pull our toys with. I am going to try and keep at least one heavy duty tow vehicle at all times so if they get phased out I will always have a way to pull my stuff.
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I agree with the others, the Edge is just not enough vehicle for towing a pontoon boat. In the Ford line I wouldn't consider anything smaller than the Explorer. Personally I would go with a full size SUV or pickup, and be sure it had a towing package. Otherwise your transmission will suffer.
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I have a Yukon XL and I towed my 28ft pontoon from Georgia to Indiana with no problem. I love it. I love the Yukon and the chevy cousin Tahoe. 350 V8. Bring on the gas bill.
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I have a Honda Pilot, and had the extra tow package (coolers and such) installed. No problems whatsoever towing. Doesn't feel like it's straining at all. I figure I will drive the car 98% of the time, and tow maybe 2% of the time (maybe less). Got 13 mpg while towing this summer. The towing capacity with tow package installed is 4200#, and the 3rd row seating is nice. Smooth car to drive. Got it used.
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Also keep in mind that AWD and 4WD are not the same. Generally speaking AWD is split 70 - 30 rear - front. 4WD with transfer case in 4 low is 50 -50. There are differences in power split between different makes in AWD but I am speaking in generalities. The difference between 50 - 50 and 70 - 30 on a steep slimey boat ramp can be dramatic. I've pulled my fair share of AWD out of ditches in the winter. Traction control can also be more of a pain while pulling a boat out of the water. I shut it off when I'm in a tough spot. It is good on City streets but in the rough stuff it doesn't really help. I towed my Pontoon with my Cherokee 4.0L 4x4 with towing package and trans cooler and it did fine. It was a little small for the job, but it handled it. I slid a little more on steep ramps than I liked but no catastrophies.
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been out a while but thought I would weigh in on this... defintely do a 1/2 ton truck or larger...or an SUV.... usually speaking, a rear wheel drive with traction lock rear end (one wheel spins & then both wheels pull to reduce slippage) would be fine to pull. I drive a 2000 Ford AWD Expedition that has 4WD, 4 Hi and 4 Low.. don;t go over 55 or 60 towing my 28ft Playcraft.... and keep it out of overdrive (reduces shifting procedures for transmission).... if you can find something like that,,you'd be fine
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I use a 2006 Dodge Ram MEGACAB with the 5.7 Hemi. I have no complaints, gas isn't even too bad. It gets better mileage than my 2002 Ram 2500 Ext. Cab did that had the 5.9 and a 4.10 rear end built for towing. The Megacabs are all on heavy duty 2500 frames sharing their brakes, hubs, springs, and axles, ride nice and smooth/quiet too.
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Get the big Toyota Tundra with towing package. I never thought I'd even buy a Japanese car, much less recommend them, but they are just so much better than our domestic brands, I have moved over to them and love them. Much better vehicles than the Jeep Cherokees I drove for 25 years. My wife has had three Lexus' and I have 60,000 miles on a 4-Runner and it's never had the hood open except to change the oil at the car wash. It's a V-6 and it pulls my 20 footer with a 90 Honda just fine in the middle of our summer. No towing package, unless it came with it and I just don't know it. I've never tried it on a really steep and wet ramp...just normal ramps. I wish my trailer had brakes though.
Remember, if you buy too small, you're in for a heap of danger. mechanical problems and aggravation.
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Thats why I bought an American Government Motors Corporation 3/4 ton 4wd truck with Allison tranny and Duramax engine. Had to lock in the hubs on a steep wet ramp this weekend. Probably could have pulled her out without 4WD had I had 'mud tires' instead of the slicks that came on it. I would seriously check the GVWR of your vehicle and the loaded weight of your toon and trailer and purchase accordingly if you have any doubts. I probably have one of the heaviest trailerable toons available thus I bought one of the higher rated tow vehicles without going to a 1 ton or commercial vehicle. Another factor to consider is how far you will be towing, how often and the terrain. An occasional short tow on flat ground with a flat ramp can be handled by most vehicles while, as I do alot, a day long drive with a heavy boat in mountainous terrain will require alot more vehicle to avoid mechanical problems. As stated before stopping is probably more of a consideration than 'will it pull it'.
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I have the Tundra myself, with 4WD and limited slip differential. I've never had a problem, even when the ramps are steep and slick with algae. It's never been in the garage except for regular maintenance.
When considering a vehicle for towing a boat, the 'experts' recommend that you get a vehicle whose tow ratings match the boat fully loaded on the trailer (not dry weight), plus people and stuff in the vehicle, and add 20% as a safety margin (to compensate for ramps, hills, and such). So, for example, if all that weighs 5000 pounds, get something rated to tow 6000 pounds.
Most newer full size trucks have the added benefit of 4 wheel disc brakes.
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